Volume Eleven, Issue Eight

Volume 11, Issue 8

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The feature article in this DITC e-Newletter edition is "A Call For Repentance! a debrief on the "A Call For Accountability" and "The Orlando Statement" which was brought to consensus among Third Wave, New Apostolic Reformation false apostles and false prophets"by Sandy Simpson, 3/9/04  This article details the hypocritical character of the New Apostolic Reformation and the leadership involved.  What is needed is a call to repentance from false teaching and false prophecy!

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A Call For Repentance!
a debrief on the "A Call For Accountability" and "The Orlando Statement" which was brought to consensus among Third Wave, New Apostolic Reformation false apostles and false prophets
by Sandy Simpson, 3/9/04

A group of the International Coalition of Apostles (ICA), which was organized by "super apostle" C. Peter Wagner and other "apostles and prophets" with the express goal of bringing the entire apostate "Church" under their leadership, recently agreed upon the following "A Call For Accountability".  It is laudable that they are attempting to address unethical and immoral practices in Third Wave churches under their "authority", but you cannot address the symptom if you don't deal with the root of the problem.  The root is the sin of apostasy from the truth.  Notably absent from this diaprax (consensus) was (1) a call to repent of their false prophecies and step down from ministry (2) a definition of what they are terming "post-New Testament" apostles (I thought we were still in New Testament times?), and (3) an admission that the goal of the ICA is to diaprax all churches into and under their authority.  This "call for accountability" is a good thought but it is also a clever smokescreen.  I can only hope true believers will not be duped into believing that ANY of those involved in this diaprax have ANY measurable discernment at all.  These are the very people who regularly teach their people to "judge not lest you be judged", to "touch not the Lord's anointed" (meaning them), to "stop putting God in a box", and to never question what the apostolic leadership tries to shove down their throats.  We deal with all their false arguments in a booklet called "What Should I Say" and in my book called "Discernment Toolkit".

I am going to place their "Call For Accountability" and "Orlando Statement" in italics, and my comments will be in bold blue type.

A Call for Accountability

More than 50 leaders of the charismatic/Pentecostal community convened in Orlando for the first-ever Ministries Today Symposium, moderated by Jack Hayford, the magazine's senior editorial adviser. High-profile leaders such as Ted Haggard, Reinhard Bonnke, Myles Munroe, C. Peter Wagner, Rod Parsley and Joyce Meyer convened to discuss the topic of ministry ethics. The unified convictions of those present were distilled in a series of affirmations called "The Orlando Statement." An abridged report of the Symposium and the complete text of "The Orlando Statement" is available here. For a complete report on the event, be sure to see the March/April issue of Ministries Today.

Something that is very disingenuous about this movement is their continued use of the term "charismatic/Pentecostal".  All the people mentioned above have long since left orthodoxy for the many false teachings of the Latter Rain which were formerly rejected as heresy by the charismatic world.  They are clearly all Third Wavers, New Apostolic heretics, yet they like to claim they are charismatics, Pentecostals and even evangelicals.  This is a ruse.  And what a joke for people like Joyce Meyer to talk of ethics when her hometown newspaper has written a number of articles on how she is not exactly ethical financially herself.  Also you already can see that their conclusions are based on diaprax (consensus) not on the Word of God alone.

Special Report: A Call for Accountability
Charismatic leaders issued a strong call for ethics at the Ministries Today Symposium in Orlando, Florida.
From Staff Reports
(For the full text of this article, see the March/April issue of Ministries Today.)

More than 50 charismatic leaders drew a line in the sand at an historic meeting in Orlando, Florida, in January. Their message: "It’s not about power or titles, it’s about winning the lost."

If it was about "winning the lost" they would be preaching the Gospel.  But none of those mentioned are preaching the straight Gospel anymore.  They preach a "Gospel lite" devoid of admitting, committing and submitting to the Lord Jesus Christ.  The ICA is all about power, but they want people to think their motives are otherwise.  This is pure heresy, laying error alongside truth.  If they want to win people to Christ, they would need to stop their false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers from fooling Christians and taking their money.

It was a virtual "who’s who" of the charismatic/ Pentecostal community at the first-ever Ministries Today Symposium, where high-profile ministers met to discuss key issues relating to leadership and ethics January 6-7. In light of the magazine’s year-long emphasis on the fivefold ministries and senior editorial adviser Jack W. Hayford’s challenge for ethical accountability (see "Practicing What We Preach," November/ December 2003), Ministries Today’s publisher Stephen Strang felt compelled to assemble a group of leaders to address topics such as the use of titles, leadership abuse, financial integrity and ministry ethics.

The very fact that they have to address these issues, which they actually did not really address as to cause, shows how bankrupt their movement is.  They have spelled out part of the problem, but it stems from much deeper roots.  The abuse of "titles" has come because they believe and state that apostles are foundational to the church today, against what the Bible says.  Here are some quotes to that extent from the "super-apostle" himself, C. Peter Wagner:

    In the brochure that I received, advertising C. Peter Wagner's conference in Brisbane, the following was written: "The New Apostolic Reformation is an extraordinary work of the Holy Spirit that is changing the shape of Christianity globally. It is truly a new day! The Church is changing. New names! New methods! New worship expressions! The Lord is establishing the foundations of the Church for the new millennium. This foundation is built upon apostles and prophets. Apostles execute and establish God's plan on the earth. The time to convene a conference of the different apostolic prophetic streams across this nation is now! This conference will cause the Body to understand God's 'new' order for this coming era. We look forward to having you with us in Brisbane in Feb 2000."  It was signed by Peter Wagner and Ben Gray. (Brochure For Brisbane 2000, as cited in Jumping On The Bandwagon - Australian Christian Churches Seduced by the Beat of a Different Drummer?, Hughie Seaborn, 1999, http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rseaborn/bandwagon.html)
Leadership abuse stems from their teaching that no one is to question their authority.  Financial integrity is very difficult to have when you are telling people they need to plant a financial seed in order to be blessed by God, and you are selling unbiblical books by the truckload wherewith to travel all over the world and live at home in the lap of luxury.  Ministry ethics are impossible without obedience to God's Word.  So the roots have not been addressed, as we will continue to see in this article.

Hayford moderated panel discussions on three topics: leadership issues regarding the fivefold ministries, spiritual and moral issues and questions which challenge the credibility of the larger charismatic/Pentecostal community’s witness and the future of the movement. Besides the positive relationships forged and productive discussion, one of the immediate results of the symposium was a collection of affirmations called "The Orlando Statement," compiled and agreed upon by the group at the conclusion of the gathering.

Everything in the ICA and Third Wave is done by consensus, but notice who was not there.  Millions of the little "laity" (from their viewpoint) had no say in this process at all.  There is virtually no way to bring these unapproachable false apostles to task for their heresies, so they hold a meeting and declare themselves accountable with the wave of a diaprax wand when only the abusers are present.

During the first panel discussion, participants Reinhard Bonnke, Joyce Meyer, Bill Hamon, C. Peter Wagner, Kingsley Fletcher and Rod Parsley addressed the continuation of the fivefold ministries, the use of titles to identify the offices of apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher.  None in the panel or audience disputed the legitimacy of the post-New Testament ministry of all the fivefold gifts, but some expressed concern that the power invested in titles of apostle and prophet often causes the holder to exercise authority and not service.

How can you address concerns over titles when they all want them and use them to "lord it over" people?  It is impossible.  But what is not addressed at all is the false notion that they teach that the role of apostle and prophet are exactly the same today as in the time of Pentecost and the first century church.  The issues of absolute authority and the abuse of it will not be addressed until these people admit that they do not have the Apostolic authority of the Apostles or the prophetic authority of the Prophets.  Our Faith is built on the teachings of the true Apostles, not these modern ones masquerading as apostles with ultimate authority.

While a variety of opinions were expressed regarding if and when those ministering in the fivefold gifts should be granted titles, the overarching consensus of the discussion was the need to return to the work of soul-winning and shepherding that the Scriptures demand—activities from which the use of titles sometimes distracts the church.

I highly doubt any of those present at this meeting know the true meaning of "soul-winning".  They don't preach the full Gospel, just "Gospel lite".  You also have to be in the Truth and teach the Truth in sound doctrine in order to win souls to Christ.

The second panel, including Cindy Jacobs, John Bevere, Keith Butler, Steve Hill, Mark Rutland and Rick Joyner, concerned itself with the ethical crisis in the charismatic/Pentecostal community. Citing issues such as marital responsibility, "cheap concepts of restoration" and a lack of "self-moderating standards" in issues of finances, Hayford expressed his concern at the outset of the discussion. "Like the book of Judges, the movement is increasingly moving toward everyone doing what is right in their own eyes," he said. "We’re watching the dumbing down of a movement, in many ways—dumbing down in the thoughtful pursuit of what we’re really about."

The "movement" has been a postmodernist movement from the beginning, and has ALWAYS been doing what is "right in their own eyes".  That people like Rick Joyner would be allowed to lecture on "self-moderating standards" is a joke beyond belief.  Has anyone read his ridiculous books and visions?  And what does "cheap concepts of restoration" mean?  You can't get any cheaper than the restoration claims of those in the ICA, when some of them claim they are even greater than the Apostles and that there has been no apostles or prophets in the church for 2000 years till now.  Here is another quote, among many I could cite, from the #1 "super apostle" C. Peter Wagner:

    C. Peter Wagner states “I believe that the government of the church is finally coming into place and that is what the Scripture teaches in Eph. 2, that the foundation of the church is apostles and prophets. Previous to this decade of the 80's and the 90's we practically ignored prophets and apostles and now we’re seeing, what I believe is a major reason.  We’re going to new levels in prayer. We’re going to new levels in the spiritual. We’re going to new levels in healing and miracles. We’re going to new levels in deliverance of demonic deliverance. And so this is the new era we are going into and I don't know if it is coincidental or what, but its just as we are moving into the new millennium.” (C. Peter Wagner, CBN interview Jan. 3, 2000)
They have ALL made these types of statements and are they are documented on our pages.  If the Church has not had any true leadership till the present, then that is a reflection on God Himself Who is the one Who builds His Church.  There have always been "apostles", sent out ones, church planting missionaries, and "prophets", those who properly exegete and apply the written Word of God to the Church.  Just because many churches now want to listen to people who are getting their messages from their hyperactive minds and through the air, and unbilical visions, does not mean that some of us have not had leadership.  The difference is that true believers have always had apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers in their midst and the real ones were humble and didn't brag about their "office".  When you see false apostles and prophets getting together to try to cover their sins instead of repenting of them, you are seeing deception on a demonic level.

Hayford suggested that ethical issues threaten the continued viability of the movement and the willingness of many to identify with it. Although many may embrace the theological perspectives of the movement, they are reticent to be a part of what they see as the excess and shoddy ethics of many high-profile charismatic leaders, he said. The third and final panel, including Ted Haggard, R.T. Kendall, J. Lee Grady, Francis Frangipane, Myles Munroe and Frank Reid, explored the future of the charismatic/Pentecostal movement. The discussion largely surrounded the issue of the continued identity of the movement and the need for a unified response to the gay agenda, same-sex marriage, universalism and other issues on which there have not been strong statements made.

Let me bring one example to the table on "excess and shoddy ethics", even though I have many.  Please read Part 1 & Part 2 of our exchange with Ted Haggard, president of the National Association Of Evangelicals, where he straightforwardly lied about his association with the ICA and other matters.  Now if Ted had come to this conference to repent of his lies, that might even be the basis for true revival.  But instead he came and lectured about the "future" of the movement.  If its leadership continues to lie and teach the false doctrines of the Latter Rain, how will anything ever get solved?  Of course some people are fed up with these people!  They are not fed up because of little problems and "mistakes", but because of fundamental abuses of power and the Word of God.  And what a joke to say they will come up with a "unified response" on issues like universalism.  Many of them have already made universalist type statements, and this whole movement is moving the churches closer to the coming world church under the antichrist.  Here are a few shocking examples of Universalism from sources that are either involed in the ICA or promote it as valid Christianity:

    Well, Christianity and being a true believer—you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for his name. And that's what God is doing today . . . They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven" (Billy Graham, Straightway, September, 1997. The entire article may be received from the author upon request, http://www.foundations.edu/online_material/straightway/1997/vol25_no9.htm).

    Warren is part of the ultra-conservative Southern Baptist Convention, and all his senior staff sign on to the SBC's doctrines, such as the literal and infallible Bible and exclusion of women as senior pastors. Yet Warren's pastor-training programs welcome Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Jews and ordained women. "I'm not going to get into a debate over the non-essentials. I won't try to change other denominations. Why be divisive?" he asks, citing as his model Billy Graham, "a statesman for Christ ministering across barriers." (Rick Warren in"This evangelist has a 'Purpose'", by Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY,  7/21/2003, http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-07-21-rick-warren_x.htm)

    On a recent edition of CNN's Crossfire, Tony Campolo refused to say Jesus is the only way to heaven. The panel was discussing events at the Southern Baptist Convention in Atlanta. Campolo would not answer the question directly but said, "The Apostle Paul says that there are people who have light that is not Christian light, and they will be judged on that basis." In an earlier appearance on PBS's Charlie Rose, Campolo muddied theological waters by stating, "I am saying that there is no
    salvation apart from Jesus; that's my evangelical mindset. However, I am not convinced that Jesus only lives in Christians" (National Liberty Journal, 8/99). CNV News Service, http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/campolo.html

    The Charisma article noted: "Messianic Muslims, who continue to read the Koran, visit the mosque and say their daily prayers but accept Christ as their Savior, are the products of the strategy which is being tried in several countries." A YWAM staff writer wrote: "They continue a life of following the Islamic requirements, including mosque attendance, fasting and Koranic reading, besides getting together as a fellowship of Muslims who acknowledge Christ as the source of God's mercy for them... YWAM is also adopting this approach in India, where a team is working with a Hindu holy man." (YWAM in Foundation, May/June 2000, p. 39)

Again they want to try to appear to be discerning when they know they are way out on a limb.  So they are trying to fool people into thinking they are okay when most of them have been "drunk in the spirit" for many years and it is doubtful they remember what they were preaching a week ago.

The Orlando Statement

Fivefold Ministries

Statement of Objective: In light of the current misgivings concerning the awakening and release of the fivefold ministries in the charismatic/Pentecostal movement, we observe six distinct areas of general agreement. The following affirmations are presented in hope of promoting relational harmony and ministerial partnership. In light of our biblical mandate to be unified in the task of equipping the body for the task of world evangelism, we express the following:

"Awakening and release"?  This already shows their heretical view of Christianity.  The biggest joke, however, is their "mandate to be unified in the task of equipping the body".  One of the main proofs against these false apostles and prophets is their lack of adherence or conformity to the definition of Christian leadership and their mandate to bring people to maturity in Christ in Eph. 4.  Read Why Were The Grace Gifts Of Servant Leadership Given? by Sandy Simpson, 9/26/02

1. Unity and Diversity: We affirm that the proper functioning of the body of Christ depends on the "unlikeness" of its members. Thus a diversity of perspectives and an ideological tension must not only be allowed but also encouraged for the sake of fruitfulness, maturity and interdependence.

What a joke!  Ask anyone who attends the churches of these people and who have raised ANY objection to what they are teaching or doing, and you will quickly find out that there is absolutely NO TOLERANCE for "diversity of perspectives and an ideological tension".  This is blatant hogwash!

2. The Heart of Ministry: We affirm that the heart of all ministry is servanthood, the task of all ministry is shepherding, and the goal of all ministry is the salvation of the lost and the equipping of the saved.

The fact of the matter is that Third Wave churches serve the leadership, not the other way around.  If they knew what it meant to be a servant they would not be on TBN bragging about their anointings, browbeating people with unbiblical fundraising and into buying their materials, telling everyone their titles, praying Pharisaic prayers on TV in front of millions of people, claiming they have had direct contact with God and then proving they have not by the messages they bring, etc.

3. Continuation of the Fivefold Ministries: We affirm that there is an ongoing post-New Testament activity of the charismata of 1 Corinthians 12, as well as the ministries of the pastor, teacher and evangelist described in Ephesians 4. Therefore, it would naturally follow that we affirm the ongoing post-New Testament activity of apostles and prophets.

This does not define what they have already defined and literally drummed into the heads of millions of their followers -- that they are foundational to the Church and their words must be followed as the very word of God.

4. Current Escalation of Apostolic and Prophetic Activity: We affirm that, while all of the fivefold ministries have been active since their bestowal by the ascended Christ, that the last 30 years has evidenced an increase of apostolic and prophetic ministry, resulting in substantive growth of the church in the developing world and a resulting influence on the charismatic church in the United States and Europe.

This contradicts what many such as Bill Hamon, C. Peter Wagner and others have claimed.  They have been saying for years that these "offices" have to be "restored" to a church that was basically without them for a long time.  Instead they are now claiming that it is an "escalation" instead of a "restoration".  Oh yes, the Third Wave movement has grown at the expense of local churches.  They are sucking the life out of true churches and replacing it with false apostles and false prophets, just like Jesus warned us about.

    Matthew 24:24  For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect— if that were possible.
And Paul also said:
    2 Corinthians 11:13  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
5. Distinction of Offices and Giftings of the Fivefold Ministries: We affirm that there is a distinction between the office and the gifting of each of the fivefold ministries: "office" being endowment of position with authority and responsibility granted by a legitimate body of one’s peers, in recognition of gifting; "gifting" being those capacities and spiritual qualities that only God entrusts to become manifest through an individual.

I see no mention of the word "office" in the New Testament, with the exception of Heb. 7:23 in reference to the Old Testament priests.  What are they talking about?  Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers have the spiritual grace gifts to do what God wants them to do, or else they do not and are false apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.

    Eph. 4:7 & 11-15  But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. ... It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
These leadership gifts mentioned in the Bible are not titles given by men, but are to be used for ministry through the grace of God.  Titles given by churches mean nothing.  God is the One who gives the grace gifts of servant leadership.  This is something these people apparently know nothing about.

6. The Use of Titles: We affirm the appropriation of titles by those who demonstrate the character and giftings requisite those titles, but we also affirm that the use of titles be submitted to the demands of servanthood and not become a distraction or hindrance to the very offices that they claim to serve, or the gifting they have been granted to minister.

The question is: who is submitting to whom?  It is my belief that one of the other reasons this ICA meeting was organized was to bring other New Apostolic groups into "submission" to the ICA.  According to C. Peter Wagner at his Wagner Leadership Institute, the ICA apostles can "impart ministry skills".  So apparently only the select ICA group has the real authority to "impart" (transferable impartation by the laying on of hands), giving people leadership and any other "gifts".  I think this was the subtle message given here, and those who signed off on this agreement were diapraxed into it, whether they liked it or not.

Ethical Accountability

Statement of Objective: The pursuit of this statement is to affirm those commonly-held values of biblical discipline and grace that have been timelessly honored by the people of God in reference to ethics, morality, marriage and ministry lifestyle. Our interaction has targeted the formulation of statements which we acknowledge as essential to sustaining the purity of the witness of the broad fellowship of charismatic believers. We recognize that there is no human agency that can mandate or administrate conformity to any set of values. Nonetheless, we present these summary affirmations, in hope that:

1. We hope all who embrace life in the Holy Spirit would give an equal and total embrace to the whole of the Scripture’s requirements regarding ethics, moral purity, sexual integrity, marital fidelity, financial accountability and the spirit of Christlike ministry.

You cannot accomplish this without repentance.  The reason these problems are so widespread in the Third Wave is simply because they have not repented of heresy and false prophecy.  Repentance doesn't just mean saying you are sorry either.  It means you have to STOP DOING THESE THINGS!

2. We hope we may present a point of reference for all charismatic Christian believers that thereby they may be assured of the constancy of their majority leadership to live by the character expectations of leaders as revealed in the eternal Word of God.

How about starting with the truth?

3. We hope the values focused in these affirmations might become acknowledged and honored as reflecting the common convictions and values of the broad fellowship of charismatic tradition.

4. We hope we might recognize and affirm that, apart from the ongoing transformation of the Holy Spirit, both structures and relationships will be ineffective in the establishment of and the adherence to any moral or ethical standards.

You cannot have the "ongoing transformation of the Holy Spirit" unless you repent of sin and heresy!  You can also "affirm" all kinds of compacts and covenants, but until you affirm the written Word of God by obeying it, you are simply affirming the wind.

We seek neither to establish a governing group nor attempt to frame and administer legal structures for enforcing ethical standards. We know that ultimately such are impossible apart from hearts of submission to God’s Word and Spirit. Still, with all, we hope that we may project an informal mechanism for identifying and marginalizing those who independently pursue a lesser commitment to Christian discipline or who demonstrate an indifference to a biblical lifestyle, thereby separating themselves as apart from and unrepresentative of true charismatic Christian standards. We embrace the following affirmations:

So apparently they are admitting that, in spiritual matters, they are attempting to "frame and administer legal structures".  That's the message I see underlying this.  They are very good at "marginalizing" people who disagree with them on theological issues, but they have found it hard to get rid of all the weirdoes in their movement because some of them are very popular.  So this is an attempt to bring some "standards" by consensus so they can continue to dominate the world of Christendom with their movement.

1. Ethical Crisis: the Problem: There is a crisis of ethical standards in the church in general and among charismatic/Pentecostal leaders in particular, characterized by: (1) an increasing tolerance for sexual infidelity; (2) an escalation in instances of abandonment of marital responsibility under the guise of commitment to ministry callings; (3) an indulgent understanding of the concept of restoration and; (4) a lack of self-moderation and discipline in areas of financial responsibility and extravagance.

Good statement of the problems, but I would say that "the crisis of ethical standards" is a direct result of disobedience to the written Word of God and the law of grace through Jesus Christ.  When you teach heresy and promote false prophecy, all other manner of sins will creep in.  This is God's judgment on those who do not want to obey His commands and remain in the truth.

2. Ethical Crisis: Causes: This ethical crisis is in part due to (1) an increase in the number of ministry leaders operating outside existing accountability structures; (2) the failure of existing accountability structures to enforce legal standards because of an absence of authentic peer relationships; (3) an increasingly prevalent perspective of ministry as a profession in which the importance of success and power outweigh the demands of servanthood and integrity and; (4) a growing perception that the private life of the leader has no bearing on his/her public ministry as long as that ministry continues to gratify its followers.

Now we get down to the nitty gritty.  The problem is not a lack of obedience to the written Word of God.  It is a lack of "accountability".  To whom, you might well ask!  To the ICA of course, silly!

3. The Ineffectiveness of Strictly Legal Accountability Structures: Proposed structures of ethical accountability that are strictly defined by legal limitations have not worked in the past and thus will not work unless accompanied by the relational networks composed of both peers and superiors who are willing to openly confront moral failure and constructively provide avenues of restoration for the repentant. Thus, we urge assertive acceptance of the responsibility to minister discipline with love and righteousness with grace, so any independence from and persistence to behaviors adverse to godly values be identified as alien to the lifestyle of charismatic Christians and unrepresentative of the true charismatic Christian community. (Source: "Ministries Today Update for March 2004" (received 3/9/04).

The reason nothing has been done about these issues is that Third Wavers have no concept of what biblical terms like "rebuke", "admonition" and "demolishing arguments" mean.  They have never done it and are taught not to do it, so now they are finding the results of that sin catching up with them.


One can only hope and pray that the movement will be so judged by God that many will leave and wake up to the heresies and false prophecies promoted by ALL the leaders mentioned above.  There are very few biblical charismatics and Pentecostals left, and none in the Third Wave.  Many of the biblical ones have written good articles on our site, and have been blasted to kingdom come for doing so by these very leaders.  Every day we receive harsh and even abusive emails from people in this apostate Latter Rain movement for exposing these people for who they really are.  This is because they are being taught that those who question are "heretic hunters", "Pharisees", "accusers of the brethren" and even "demonic".  They don't get those ideas out of thin air.  It is being systematically taught to them by the very people mentioned above who are now their own self-regulating "ethical" police force.  Good luck.  That's about as silly as letting the Mafia police itself.  Now the Third Wave is reaping what they have sown.  They have a bunch of leaders who are arrogant and unbiblical, and a bunch of followers who are not being led into maturity in Christ as per Eph. 4 and Heb. 5.

There is only one way out of this mess.  It's time for "a call for repentance"!